Make up Artist Emma Berley joins us for a chat about growing up in New York and living in Brooklyn. She gives us some tricks from her trade, who knew there was such thing as an eyelash brush?!? And she talks about womanhood and how her period doesn’t bother her anymore with a year taking Jubilance!
You can also check out her Mental Health Blog, Mental Health Matters right here.
Watch her Interview here:
Listen to the Podcast here:
Alice: Hi everyone. Welcome. Thank you so much for joining us. We’re so excited to have Emma on today, Emma Berley. She’s a professional makeup artist living in New York City and she’s going to talk to us about that and her experience with Jubilance. Oh, hi Emma. I see your comment. So now you can just press the button. Oh perfect. I see it now. It says adding you, so just hold on a sec. So if any of you don’t know, we have this Weekly Woman, which is a Facebook live event, but we also make it into a podcast. So anyone who doesn’t see the event right now, you can check out what Emma has to say later on. So we’re excited to have her today. Hi, Emma.
Emma Berley: Can you see me?
Alice: Yes. Can you see me?
Emma Berley: I can see you.
Alice: Can you hear?
Emma Berley: I can hear.
Emma Berley: Oh my God, thank you so much for being so patient and I am very sorry to anyone viewing who had to deal with that awful disruption.
Alice: Oh, you know, it’s always a little crazy, but as I was also saying, we make a podcast out of it and so I can cut all that out and anyone who doesn’t watch today because it’s like a random time on a Friday, I can send it to you for your blog and for your friends to hear your podcast.
Emma Berley: Alice, that’s awesome, and it’s so good to see you because I just-
Alice: It’s so nice to see you.
Emma Berley: I’m excited. Okay. So yeah, now we’re starting. Take it away.
Alice: Brilliant. Okay. Welcome everyone. I want to introduce Emma Berley. Emma is a professional makeup artist living in New York City. She’s also a current student as well as a mental health blogger and she’s been taking Jubilance since the beginning and so we’re so excited to have her on. Welcome, Emma.
Emma Berley: Hi, Alice.
Emma Berley: I don’t know why I’m laughing. I’m just excited. I’m just happy.
Alice: This is great.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: We’re so happy to have you. I’d love to start off with some sort of like more fun questions. So what is your favorite dessert?
Emma Berley: Oh my God. So I am going to say pistachio ice cream.
Emma Berley: Okay. I’m weird. I just like the color mint green and I just like the taste and I also really like strawberry shortcake. I like fresh whipped cream and strawberries and I would say also just milk chocolate. Good milk chocolate.
Alice: So good.
Emma Berley: Dipped in tea.
Alice: I could get on board for all of those.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Dipped in tea?
Emma Berley: Yeah. Like dipped in like a hot drink. It melts. Yeah, those are, I would say would be my three.
Alice: Oh, perfect. Okay. Lip gloss or lipstick?
Emma Berley: I would say lipstick.
Alice: Oh, okay. Is that what you have on now?
Emma Berley: It is, about five different colors.
Alice: Five different colors?
Emma Berley: Yes.
Alice: See, I tried to do makeup for you and it just didn’t work today.
Emma Berley: You look great, Alice. You look really natural and authentic, which is good because people that don’t wear a lot of makeup usually and then they just wear it for one random occasion. They don’t always do it right. But since I know you’re not a heavy makeup wearer you just look super chill and like you look-
Emma Berley: Yeah. Which is perfect.
Alice: Amazing. Okay. Tampon or pad?
Emma Berley: I prefer pads, but sometimes I do need to use both.
Alice: Perfect. It’s good we have options.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Okay. What’s your favorite random fact?
Emma Berley: Okay. This is kind of silly, but you know how the printer ink, like when you put in your ink cartridges you’ll see, or even on your computer it’ll say like the ink, the colors of the ink. It’ll be cyan, magenta and yellow. Well, there are theories that that’s actually the original color wheel, primary colors. Because if you mix cyan, magenta and yellow, you can pretty much make any color.
Emma Berley: That’s my favorite fact.
Alice: That’s so cool. Oh, that’s neat, and perfect for you to know about like how to mix colors on someone’s face.
Emma Berley: Exactly.
Alice: Yeah. That’s awesome.
Emma Berley: Thanks, Alice.
Alice: Can you tell us about where you’re from?
Emma Berley: So I was actually born right smack in Manhattan on actually 86th and Amsterdam, so Upper West Side. My parents, they had a, I think a one bedroom and it was really cheap at that time. This was 1986 when I was born. So I was born in Manhattan and I grew up in Westchester, New York, in Dobbs Ferry from about kindergarten to senior year. So that’s really kind of where I grew up. But I actually have been in Brooklyn since I was 18 because as soon as my sister and I were done with high school, my parents left the suburbs, moved to Brooklyn and I’ve pretty much been here ever since. My family lives here so I kind of feel like both Dobbs Ferry and Brooklyn are where I’m from.
Alice: That’s awesome. Can you talk about how you got to Brooklyn and how you decided to become a makeup artist?
Emma Berley: Yeah, so I actually, I have a learning disability called Dyscalculia, which is kind of like dyslexia but it’s more with math. It’s just the sort of frontal lobes of your brain have a hard time processing like lots and lots of concepts. So things like algebra and math were very hard for me as a kid and I just, I wasn’t a very good academic, but I was very good with paint and my sister had gone to makeup school when she … because she was also not super academic either, but she was really into theater. So she went to makeup school and she was thriving and I was kind of lost and she just said, “You know, why don’t you do this too? This is something we both love, just get on board.” So I went to makeup school and that’s really where I kind of got into it. It was kind of my sister and being bad at math.
Alice: That’s awesome. See, you figured out like what you really wanted to do there.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah, and can you talk about what’s your favorite part about living in Brooklyn?
Emma Berley: Well, okay. For me personally, my parents live down the street, so I love that I could see my parents and my sister’s also about a five minute walk. I even have cousins that are also about a 10 minute walk, so I’ve got family. I’ve got relatives galore, which is a lot of fun.
Alice: That’s awesome.
Emma Berley: I feel like I always have a support system here, but I also just love the cultural diversity in New York City in general. I mean, it is a melting pot. You will never feel like a minority here, I don’t think. Or you’ll never feel like a majority. There’s just every culture, everything, you know?
Alice: Yeah. Do you have a favorite restaurant in Brooklyn? Because I know you’ve talked about, there’s like you can find anything there. So, where’s your favorite?
Emma Berley: So actually there is a cafe in Ditmas Park where I live, it’s called Cafe Madeline and it’s pretty casual like breakfast and lunch, but they have an amazing menu. They’ve got a lot of vegan options and a lot of, they have good lamb and meats. So it’s good for kind of anyone to just go and it’s sort of a progressive restaurant. They’re very local source, organic. They always have ripe avocados. That’s a pet peeve. Like it has to be a good avocados. They’ve always got-
Alice: That’s so true.
Emma Berley: Yeah. So they’ve always got great-
Alice: It’s hard to find.
Emma Berley: I know. It is actually. So the owner actually he is … he lives above the cafe and he opened two other cafes on the same street. So he’s kind of this cool restaurant tour. But this particular cafe is called Cafe Madeline and it is a popular cafe and it’s really good. So that’s I’d say in Brooklyn, my favorite right now.
Alice: Oh, that’s awesome.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Can you talk about your favorite project that you’ve worked on as a makeup artist? Like what’s been the most extreme and fun?
Emma Berley: Okay, so I guess that the short answer would be, I worked on a web series called Cop Show and it’s a comedy series that you can find on YouTube and it was created by Colin Quinn. He’s a comedian. If you Google him, you’ll see, he’s kind of like famous, but he never made the household name, but he’s actually friends with Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock and all the big wigs. So he got all these iconic comedians to be on the show. So I was able to work on that show and be around them and that was the most amazing situation for me, I think.
Alice: That is so cool.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Do you have any any tricks or tips for for us viewers using makeup or putting on makeup? What’s a go-to tip you can tell us?
Emma Berley: I would say like off the top of my head, a lot of people wear mascara. That’s a common makeup, right, for most women.
Emma Berley: I think mascara is really important because no matter who you’re looking at, like you can see when someone’s mascara is done right or not right. I think a big faux pas is when people don’t take the time after they’ve applied their mascara to comb through their eyelashes and make sure it’s really nice. So I would say buy an eyelash comb. I actually have one right here because yeah.
Alice: I didn’t even know those existed.
Emma Berley: These are not expensive. I got this … I mean, this is a slightly … Okay, so this is from the brand Makeup Forever. Since I’m a makeup artist, I sometimes have expensive stuff in my kit just because, but you can buy this at like Sephora too, like a Sephora brand. It’s not going to be expensive. But this metal part here, this is a comb and it’s going to comb through your lashes. So once you’re done applying mascara, give your eyelashes like two minutes to dry and just comb through them because it’ll make a really big difference.
Alice: Wow. What does it do? It just makes it not as clumpy or …
Emma Berley: It takes away any clump and also sometimes eyelashes, like even if they’re not clumpy, they can kind of move in a funny way. So once the mascara is dry, it’s kind of like hair, you know, you comb your hair and you sort of shape it. It’s kind of the same way because eyelashes are hair. So it’s kind of like you’re combing it, you’re shaping it, you’re making sure that the lashes are kind of even, so I think that’s important. Especially if you’re having like a closeup photo of yourself or you’re meeting someone face to face. Like you’re going to a restaurant and you’re sitting across from a date, you want your eyelashes to look good. So that to me is a big deal. Yeah, that’s an important one. And actually I have one more.
Emma Berley: The other one is also translucent powder. I have this right here. This is not expensive either. This is Ben Nye. I think this was 7.99, so this has lasted me now, it’s like a big container, I think this has lasted me about a year and I still have a good amount left. This is just a powder. It’s a setting powder. So when you put on foundation on your skin or under your eyes, you want to set it with a powder because A, it’ll keep it from getting on people’s clothes. If you give someone a hug, you don’t want your makeup to get on someone’s white tee shirt. Also, it’ll keep like creases because I’m sorry I’m not … I have wrinkles and I’m fine with that. A lot of women do and we don’t want our concealer and our foundation to cake up and crease, so that’s why it’s nice to powder it. It sets it. Also though, I will say if you have really deep wrinkles in your forehead, I would avoid putting a product on those spots because makeup does ultimately kind of like sink into places. Okay. Now I’m going on a tangent, but you get the point. So translucent powder and eyelash comb, I’d say.
Alice: Wow. Okay. Things I need to do, both of those. Perfect. So, then what is your go-to lipstick or lip gloss you say and why do you prefer a lipstick over a lip gloss? I’ve always done lip gloss. I’m so curious.
Emma Berley: Yeah. Okay. So for me, when it comes to my own face and other people’s faces, I think most people have a natural pigment to their lip. So if you don’t have a lot of … because makeup is all about prioritizing because ultimately we need to get places on time. We need to do things on time. I say this as somebody who’s naturally late to everything. So I’ve managed to whittle things down and lipstick, I’m sorry, lip gloss … Oh my God. I don’t know if … Now I might be contradicting myself because lip gloss can be quick, which is why people love it.
However, I feel like as a natural lip, we all have pink. So just put some chapstick on, you don’t need to worry. Just put some cheap chapstick on because then you’ll be hydrated and you don’t have to deal with thinking about it. Now, if you have the time you put on the lipstick. So that’s my thing. Like I feel like with lip gloss it can get on your teeth because it’s a little messy and it can kind of bleed. So I just think for me, I’m either like nothing with some chapstick or I want to spend the time and I want to put the lipstick on. That’s kind of how I am. I’m like that with other people too. If I have to do someone’s makeup from the camera, I’m like, “Oh, their lips are pink, they’re fine.” Or I’m like, “Okay, we’ve got some time. Let’s do some lipstick.”
Alice: Oh wow, and you said you’re wearing five different shades right now. Is there a reason for that? Or like should we all be-
Emma Berley: No, I’m just crazy basically. You don’t to-
Alice: Oh, that’s fun.
Emma Berley: You don’t need to. It is fun because lipstick does, it does make an impact on the face. Honestly right now I can’t find my pink that I like. So I was trying to kind of come up with this pink. So I had like a hot pink and then I had a light pink and so then I mixed those and it wasn’t quite right. So then I put in a beige. So you can kind of just mix until you get like a … honestly, I’m not thrilled with how this turned out, but I’m okay.
Alice: I think it looks great.
Emma Berley: Thank you, but sometimes it’s just, I don’t have the color that I want, so I try to kind of mix it with other things. Like I’ll take different colors and I’ll try to make them and sometimes I will just have my color. I like a ballerina, like soft pink. That’s kind of what I like.
Alice: Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah.
Emma Berley: I think that would look really good on you too by the way. Just like a basic pink. That can be really good for blondes.
Alice: Okay. I’m going to have to try it.
Emma Berley: Yeah. I think when in doubt for blondes, a soft pink is nice. Also for people with more of like a brunette dark, dark hair, often like a berry or a cranberry tone is often really nice.
Alice: Oh. Oh, wow.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Thank you for that.
Emma Berley: You’re welcome.
Alice: Yeah, so do you have any fall traditions? Do you have any fall makeup traditions or just traditions in the city?
Emma Berley: I would say for fall I just like to go for little walks, you know, it’s not as hot and you can kind of just enjoy the atmosphere of the trees and I feel like it’s a fun time to sort of people watch and just kind of get new ideas like as the seasons have changed. I tend to get a little overwhelmed on Halloween because I feel like when I first started my career as a makeup artist, I was into it and then it was like, eh, like I don’t really feel … I don’t have the money. It just got too much, so I don’t really dress up anymore. I’m kind of boring.
Alice: That’s okay.
Emma Berley: But I do enjoy Halloween. I like to walk around and see what other people are doing and it’s just nice that it’s not so hot out anymore, you know? Because I feel like the heat can get a little intense.
Alice: Yeah, that’s definitely true. It’s starting to feel more and more like fall, which I’m a little sad about.
Emma Berley: Oh, are you a summer girl?
Alice: Yes. I love the summer.
Emma Berley: Yeah. No, I totally get that too.
Alice: Yeah, I miss it already.
Emma Berley: I understand that. Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. Can you talk about your biggest success story, Emma?
Emma Berley: Biggest success? Ooh, that’s a tough one. It’s funny because I feel like success can really stem from a lot of things.
Alice: Yeah, it’s totally up to you.
Emma Berley: Yeah. In some ways I would say just, I guess the decision to become a makeup artist and then doing it and sticking with it. I feel a little sad because I’ve made a lot of mistakes in my career. I’ve quit some jobs. I’ve burned a few bridges, you know, like I’m not perfect. But I also feel like I’ve done it for a long time and I guess like my biggest success would just be that I was able to do a very famous person like Seth Meyers makeup and not humiliate myself. I basically did it and it went okay. Like I would say that would be my success, just like doing the thing and doing it okay. You know? That’s about it.
Alice: Yeah. I think that’s great. That’s amazing. You like keep doing it.
Emma Berley: Because I feel like … I don’t know. Even like another success could just be like I am in school now and I have to take a math class and I took the class and I passed the class. Now granted the teacher was incredibly empathetic. He knew I had a learning disability and he gave me a lot of grace I guess and leeway, but I did the class.
Alice: That’s awesome. That is success that you just like, you accomplished it. You did it.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Emma Berley: And taking Jubilance.
Alice: Oh great. Yeah, we want to talk about that. So, I guess getting into it a little bit, can you talk about what your definition is for being a woman?
Emma Berley: Okay. So that’s like … Thank you for asking me that. I feel very honored because I feel like I’m a little sister and so I’ve always been like the kid and my sister’s been the woman in my eyes anyway. So like the part that you’re asking me, it’s like, wow, I get to be the big woman.
Alice: Oh yeah.
Emma Berley: But I would say the definition of being a woman for me at least is kind of like women’s intuition. Like knowing your intuition and kind of being an empathetic and sensitive individual and owning that and being okay with that. You know? Like I feel like so many times I’ve been told in my life to man up or toughen up and you know what, why should I have to man up? Like I’m a woman, so I’m sensitive and I have a lot of deep feelings. So I feel like just being that, having feelings and being okay with those feelings and going with your menstrual cycle, it sounds cheesy, but we get our periods once a month until we’re in menopause, you know? And then we have to go through that. So it’s like owning things like that and being okay with them and not trying to deny, you know? Oh, and one more thing.
Emma Berley: Like when it comes to being a woman, we can give birth, right? So like figuring that out. Like if you want to have a child, that’s wonderful, but if you don’t, that’s okay too. Just kind of like trusting your intuition with that kind of stuff, I think.
Alice: I think that’s a great definition for it. Intuition and just like we’re just all figuring stuff out, which I think is what you’re talking about.
Emma Berley: Exactly.
Emma Berley: Yeah, definitely.
Alice: I’m curious too, you kind of talked about like, people have told you to toughen up.
Emma Berley: Oh my god.
Alice: Have you ever felt, I mean, have you felt prejudice for like your gender?
Emma Berley: Oh yeah.
Alice: Being female?
Emma Berley: Definitely.
Alice: Can you talk about that?
Emma Berley: Yeah. Okay. There’s a couple things. Number one, just being a makeup artist in general, makeup artists don’t get treated that well and it’s a common thing in the film industry. People will say, “Oh yeah, makeup artists don’t get treated very well” and it is a generally female line of work and we often are just kind of either pressured to do something really fast or we’re shooed out of the way.
So that’s tough. So I’ve felt a general sense of prejudice just in my line of work, which happens to be a typically feminine female oriented position and then also like specific example. So I actually had to take an art class recently, which you would think I would love because I’m an artsy person, but the professor who was a male, I felt like whenever he would teach me something and I wouldn’t get it right away, he would really embarrass me. I felt like it was partly like he had some misogyny going on with him because even some of my classmates felt it. They were like, you know, we kind of felt like we were watching like an abusive guy, to women. You get that feeling sometimes as a woman.
Alice: That’s terrible. I’m sorry you had to go through that.
Emma Berley: Thanks. Yeah, it was tough and I still think about it too, but then I’m like, you know what? I got through it and yeah, sometimes you can’t change people either.
Alice: You know, I feel like if a man had to experience PMS, there would be so many more solutions for them or like they would not be able to handle the level of pain that we go through once a month.
Emma Berley: Totally.
Alice: Which I think is wild.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Can you talk about your PMS and what it’s been like and then what it was before Jubilance?
Emma Berley: Yeah. Well, it’s funny because I was actually thinking about this. I was diagnosed with premenstrual dysphoric disorder, PMDD. For people that don’t know, it’s really severe and difficult PMS, by a male doctor and I was 26 at the time and he was very nonchalant. Like he didn’t give me any information. He didn’t suggest I seek further help. He was just like, “Oh yeah, you have PMDD. It’s this thing with your period. Oh, yeah. See you later.”
Alice: Oh, my god.
Emma Berley: So like that in itself is like there’s not enough support. Wait, what was the question? Now I’m getting super …
Alice: Yeah, I just am curious about your experience with PMS before you took Jubilance and if you could talk about it.
Emma Berley: Yeah, so I just didn’t know. Like I knew I had PMDD so I knew I had an issue around my PMS that was maybe a little severe where I was quite unstable before I actually got my period. Honestly it would be six days of me feeling like I was spiraling out of control and then I’d get my period and I’d be like, “Oh yeah, this” and every month it would be the same thing. I would always forget. It was crazy, and so that’s when I started the mental health blog. I think it was about a year and a half ago where I was like, you know what, I want to write about this because I need an outlet. That’s kind of what led me to you, which is awesome. I would say I’m 33 now, meeting your company is the first time I had any tool because I was just kind of like, I didn’t know what to do. I had a friend who also, who read my blog and she was really awesome. She emailed me and she was like, I have it too. She gave me some advice but she hadn’t really had a cure either for herself. Like she was kind of lost as well. So we’re both kind of like, yeah, we don’t know what to do.
Emma Berley: I mean it’s been tough and I tried to tell people about Jubilance but it’s still this non mainstream topic, which is unfortunate because it should be.
Alice: I mean, it’s definitely not something that people want to talk about. Like you don’t talk about PMS, you don’t talk about your period. We do have to say to all our listeners out there, Jubilance isn’t for PMDD. It’s a supplement that is … and so it doesn’t, it’s not intended to diagnose, treat disease, but we’re happy that it can help you Emma.
Emma Berley: Yeah. You guys never said … you guys were very clear about that. You know, it was just like, I’ll give this a shot and it worked. So for me, it’s great. I also tell people, I realized now that with my friend with PMDD, I say to her like, “Look, this worked for me. I don’t know, you know, but this worked.”
Alice: Yeah. There’s no clinical trials for PMDD and it’s not for a disease. It’s a supplement for mild to moderate PMS, but we’re happy that it can help you. You’ve been taking Jubilance for over a year now.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Can you talk about how you feel?
Emma Berley: It’s pretty great.
Alice: Or how you don’t feel?
Emma Berley: I don’t feel angry all the time, on the 12th of the month like I did. I don’t feel like, honestly I felt like a bully to my boyfriend because I would just be so mad about everything that I would somehow just take it out on whoever was around me the most and so, I just feel a lot like … I just feel sane. Like it’s good.
Alice: Yeah, and so like PMS is probably just like, it’s just on the back burner now for you. You don’t even have to think about it. I mean, I remember you talking to us at first and it was something you had to plan your life around.
Emma Berley: Yeah, definitely.
Alice: And now, does that even, does it even come up in your mind?
Emma Berley: No, the only thing I will say is, aside from PMS, a lot of women have this where it’s like I’ll get really bloated and my back will hurt. Like, sure, I still have to do that or deal with that, but my head is okay and that’s really the most important thing because when you’re not in control of your head and your mind like bad things can happen.
Emma Berley: You know?
Alice: Totally. Well thank you. We’re so glad that you could … it could help you.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Yeah. I just have a couple more questions for you.
Emma Berley: Okay.
Alice: So if a woman were to walk by you on the street and you had a minute to give her advice, your best tip about like anything we talked about today or anything else in the world, what would you give her?
Emma Berley: Okay, so I would say let your feelings be your guide, like be an investigator of your feelings. So like for example, if you are feeling sad, ask yourself some questions, like what’s going on right now? You know, why am I sad? Because you could find the solution to that. For example, if my mom recently was really upset about this weekend she had with some people and it was like, “Oh why are you so sad? Maybe those people aren’t the people you should be surrounding yourself with. It’s nothing bad about you. It’s just you had a bad time.” I think so many people don’t trust their own feelings and they feel ashamed and it’s like, no. Let your feelings be your guide. Maybe you feel really happy. Why do you feel so happy? Well maybe you did something that makes you feel good.
Emma Berley: Like for me, I recently realized that exercising makes me feel really happy, but weighing myself makes me feel really sad.
Emma Berley: Right. So I’m like-
Alice: Keep that away.
Emma Berley: I’m not going to weigh myself anymore and I’m going to keep exercising. And some of the … I follow a lot of fitness people on YouTube and some of the most successful fitness entrepreneurs, they don’t weigh themselves and they’re in like amazing shape. So yeah. Let your feelings be your guide.
Alice: I think that’s awesome. That’s so cool, Emma.
Emma Berley: Thank you, Alice.
Alice: Yeah. I just have a couple of fun questions to end to it.
Emma Berley: Yeah.
Alice: Okay. So what’s your favorite TV show?
Emma Berley: Oh my God. Oh my God. Well, okay. When it comes to serious shows, I recently have watched two shows that I like. One is Poldark.
Alice: Oh, I’ve heard that’s really good.
Emma Berley: Oh my god, it’s so good. It’s like a British drama and there’s a lot of like … I don’t know. It’s super good. It’s kind of like if you like Downton Abbey, you might like Poldark.
Alice: That sounds great.
Emma Berley: Yeah. So I loved Poldark. I watched almost all of it and I think there’s five seasons and I think it’s still happening. I think there’s a new season coming out. So I’m excited for that. Then I also watched a show on Netflix called Into the Dark, I think it’s called. It’s about a woman who’s in her late 20s and she’s blind and it’s all about just like her life and it’s current. So it’s like, you know, stuff like texting and calling your Uber when you’re blind.
Emma Berley: Like how does that work? Getting your period when you’re blind? It’s an interesting show. So I recommend-
Alice: Wow, that’s so interesting.
Emma Berley: I think it’s called In the Dark or Into the Dark, but if you just Google blind to Netflix, like drama, it’ll come up. Then for comedy, I don’t know if you’ve heard of the show, Workin’ Moms?
Alice: No, what is that?
Emma Berley: That’s also Netflix and it’s about … I think it takes place in Canada and it’s like a … it’s a total comedy about young working moms who have to deal with breastfeeding and things like that. So total like woman friendly show. Then, you know I love The Bachelor so I have to say that.
Alice: It’s the best show ever. Have you been following Bachelor in Paradise?
Emma Berley: It’s like my life.
Alice: Oh my god, it’s so good. JPJ and Taysha forever. I love them.
Emma Berley: Well, so what’s funny about The Bachelor is like that is my guilty pleasure, but I feel like I can stop hiding it because I feel like a lot of respectful people watch it. Like Jimmy-
Alice: Everyone loves it.
Emma Berley: Everyone loves it.
Alice: It’s great.
Emma Berley: Can you-
Alice: Oh, I just missed you. So you were saying lots of respectable people like it.
Emma Berley: Crap.
Alice: Hey Emma, I see you.
Emma Berley: I’m getting the echo.
Alice: Oh no.
Emma Berley: Should we quit and restart?
Alice: Oh, we can just quit now and say … because we’re at the end. So yeah. But thank you so much for being on. It was such a pleasure to have you and see you.
Emma Berley: You too and thank you for all the work that you do.
Alice: Yeah, we’re so happy that it can help you. So that’s why we do this. So it’s lovely to see you.
Emma Berley: Bye, Alice.
Alice: Bye, Emma. Have a nice day.
Emma Berley: You too.