Kristine Weber is a leading world authority on the neuroscientific benefits of slow, mindful yoga and an advocate for the use of these practices as an integral part of the solution to the healthcare crisis. She is leading the charge to get slow, mindful practices to people who desperately need them through her Subtle® Yoga Revolution series of online courses and trainings for yoga teachers, which have been praised by thousands all over the world. She has been training mental health professionals to use yoga in their clinical practices for over a decade at the Mountain Area Health Education Center, which is associated with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
In March 2019, Kristine was invited to speak to staff and members of the U.S. Congress at Capitol Hill about the potential benefits of yoga therapy in the Healthcare System. Kristine has been studying yoga and holistic healing for more than thirty years, teaching yoga since 1995 and training teachers since 2003 or organization provides holistic mind-body trainings and clinical services with the mission of enhancing community health infrastructure.
Kristine presents workshops and trainings internationally and is frequently invited to speak about yoga at Health Care conferences and on podcasts. She has published a book in many articles written book chapters and is currently conducting research on subtle yoga for addiction recovery. She lives in Asheville North Carolina with her New Zealander husband Brett, son Bhaerava and neuroprotective cat, Jerry.
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Alice Cash: Hello everyone! I am Alice Cash with Jubilance for PMS and I am here with Kristine Weber.
Kristine is a leading world authority on the neuroscientific benefits of slow, mindful yoga and an advocate for the use of these practices as an integral part of the solution to the healthcare crisis. She is leading the charge to get slow, mindful practices to people who desperately need them through her Subtle® Yoga Revolution series of online courses and trainings for yoga teachers, which have been praised by thousands all over the world. She has been training mental health professionals to use yoga in their clinical practices for over a decade at the Mountain Area Health Education Center, which is associated with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
In March 2019, Kristine was invited to speak to staff and members of the U.S. Congress at Capitol Hill about the potential benefits of yoga therapy in the Healthcare System. Kristine has been studying yoga and holistic healing for more than thirty years, teaching yoga since 1995 and training teachers since 2003 or organization provides holistic mind-body trainings and clinical services with the mission of enhancing community health infrastructure.
Kristine presents workshops and trainings internationally and is frequently invited to speak about yoga at Health Care conferences and on podcasts. She has published a book in many articles written book chapters and is currently conducting research on subtle yoga for addiction recovery. She lives in Asheville North Carolina with her New Zealander husband Brett, son Bhaerava and neuroprotective cat, Jerry. Find out more at subtleyoga.com. We’re so excited to have her on today, welcome!
Kristine Weber: Thanks for having me, Alice. It’s fun to be here. It was so fun to find out we both went to Georgetown.
Alice: Yes, can you talk– what is your favorite story from time at Georgetown?
Kristine: Oh my God, my favorite story? I do not even know. There’s so many. It was such a fun thing to– it was such a fun time and a fun place to be and, you know what college is like, but especially you go to college and major in metropolitan area and– I do not even know. Oh, I could tell you a yoga story from Georgetown, which is the–I had, so they actually had yoga at Georgetown when I was there which was in the late 80s. So, I remember going to my first– one of my first yoga classes, I had actually taken some yoga with my hippie social studies teacher at sixth grade, but I went to a yoga class at the gym at Georgetown in the 80s, well I went to several. When we got there they didn’t have sticky mats back then. Sticky mats weren’t developed until the 90s. So we did yoga on those big thick squishy wrestling mats, those big navy blue solution puzzling mat. I remember walking in and the teacher was a real Swami, like he was wearing a white outfit and had a beard and he was from India and had an accent and everything.
So, I learned like real traditional yoga at Georgetown, you know? But that was a really important time for me because the yoga– I mean Georgetown is a pretty intense institution and particularly when I was at grad school there, there was a lot of work, a lot of reading, a lot of writing, a lot of expectations. So yoga was just such a reprieve from all that. It was really a great way to get through academia. Such a good balance, I think. So that was one of my favorite experiences. I remember going in and just being like, “What is the suit in this guy?” And there were people standing on their head when I walked in. That sort of thing, but it was a really good experience. I really started to learn how to self-regulate via that and how to deal with my stress in ways other than smoking and drinking, the usual college ways to dealing with stress.
Alice: Amazing. Thank you for that. What is your favorite type of yoga? Is it this yoga that you practice at Georgetown? What is it?
Kristine: Well, yes. So, I felt the need– I’ll give you– like back up just a little bit, which is when I was doing yoga in the 70s with my sixth grade social studies teacher and then in the 80s with a Swami, yoga was presented at this very kind of slow, mindful stuff. Some people would call it Hatha Yoga. Then I moved to Asia and– because I wanted to study more and I lived there for four years. When I came back, it was 1995 when I came back and that was just right when the Fitness Yoga craze was hitting. Maybe, in the East Coast. I was in New Jersey. It had hit the West Coast earlier.
So, I got back and it was all this like hot, fast, sweaty, quick Vinyasa stuff which I didn’t really have much of an opinion about it. It just that it was so different. So, I tried it for a while. I did it and I taught it and then I was like, “I really like to go back to my roots of how I was trained in India” And then I also did training programs in the United States kind of in the early-ish, well, late 80s and then when I got back in the 90s again. So, I wanted to revisit that. So, what I discovered was, it was the early 2000s when we moved to Asheville and I do not know if you know much about Asheville. I just realized my mic is far away. I do not know if you are hearing me okay.
Alice: I am hearing you okay.
Kristine: Okay. Sorry about that. I’ll put it in here. It might be a little better. So anyway, we moved to Asheville around 2001 and when I got here in Ash– I do not even know much about Asheville, but Asheville is sort of like the Sedona of the East. It’s sort of like the really groovy place of the southeast. So there, it was full of yoga teachers and yoga studios and stuff. I got here and I was like, “I am just teaching my usual thing…” which was slow, mindful yoga. But everybody wanted the hot, fast, fitness stuff. I had a big problem because I was like, well, nobody’s coming to my classes because they think it’s a waste of time and I have no way of explaining the value of this stuff. I love doing it myself, but I had no idea about why it was good for you.
That kind of started me on a journey of starting to look into the neuroscientific benefits of yoga and really we only have– it’s only have been the past ten, maybe fifteen years that research studies have been released about the benefits of yoga and mostly they’re looking at slow, mindful practices not the hot– they’re not looking at the hot, fast stuff. Although, there are some studies on that but I really was trying to hone in on mind-body research, meditation research, pranayama, breathing exercise research and slow movement research and then look at what is the benefit? What is the particular about these practices that is different than cardiovascular exercise, because we all know how great cardiovascular exercises for us, right? That’s been hammered into us since 1969 when Dr. Kenneth Cooper came out with a book called The Aerobics Revolution and everybody went nuts and started doing aerobics.
So we’ve had that information for about fifty years, more than fifty years but information about mindfulness and mindfulness in the body, that is more recent and really it has emerged with the emergence of functional MRIs and being able to look at the brain and see changes that are being made through mindfulness practices. Then the mindful movement in the body, that’s sort of even a newer iteration of the research. So, it is this very cutting edge stuff, but what I like to emphasize for folks is that there’s a difference. Over here is your cardiovascular exercise and yes, we all know that’s so important for you. Over here is your slow, mindful movement and you probably do not know why it’s so important for you, and why it’s so– right? Why is that important? Like, why isn’t that just a waste of my time? Most people are like, “I do not know why that’s important.”
Well, it’s important because of it creates better what’s called ‘map differentiation’ in the brain. So, you have these different places in your brain that have maps of your body. As you do slow, mindful practices, those maps start getting more refined, more specific, more elaborate. That has confers numerous health benefits including increasing what’s called vagal tone. That means the function of your vagus nerve which is the largest nerve of your parasympathetic nervous system. It also increases the gray matter and parts of the brain the insular cortex on some other parts that are mapping to how do I feel in my body. When you know how you feel in your body, you start to develop a deeper sense of your identity itself, right? And how important that is, we all know how important that, to develop a sense of self and there are researchers that are saying that at the heart of many chronic illnesses lies this inability to understand what’s going on in your body or what’s called ‘poor interoception’.
So, as you develop these skills of knowing what’s going on with your body, which you do by slow mindful movement. As you develop these more refined maps, you start to have a greater sense of yourself. A greater sense of like, “I do not feel so good in this emotional situation. I am going to ruin myself.” or “My body isn’t feeling so good right now. I need to eat something better or I need to do some– take a walk or I need to do something to make my body feel better.” So, you start to cultivate healthier habits because you are aware of how you feel.
So, this is such an important skill set. We do not teach it to children. We do not teach it in schools. Everybody’s like, “Oh, hard exercise and do some academics but like you deal with your stress, you know, just drink some wine and watch Netflix.” Well, no. We do not teach people how to actually change their nervous system and that’s what this practice could do. So you asked me what my favorite yoga is. My favorite yoga by far is slow, mindful yoga because I can go for a walk, I can go jogging. I can go to the gym. I can get all my cardio stuff done anyway and I could do fast yoga for that too but I prefer to use my yoga practice as a way to get to know myself better. Because I know, I realized, I understand the science behind how that is going to be helpful for longevity.
Alice: Wow, that’s so interesting and I was reading an article of yours on Medium, I believe. You were talking about innercise and this idea of doing yoga to create the resilience in your body. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Kristine: Yes.
Alice: And the difference between exercising yoga and this innercise that you found and created?
Kristine: Yes, I mean, I love to use this terms because everybody knows about exercise. It’s kind of like what I was just talking about. Everybody knows about exercise, it’s so important. It’s a little bit, the statistics are a little disappointing, I have to say. Because even though we all know exercise is so important only one out of five Americans actually engages in any exercise including taking a walk down the street. So, even though the folks you know and certainly folks watching this are probably all know about exercise. A lot of people do not exercise. So… Yes, but that’s another story.
But then the other side of exercise is what I like to call ‘innercise’. So innercise, yes. Well, I talked about it in terms of building nervous system resilience because of all those things I just mentioned. The map differentiation in the brain, more stimulation and more gray matter in the insular cortex, and then the connections that get made, the feedback loops, the neural networks that get created because you are paying attention. You are using this mindful awareness to know what’s going on in your body, to pay attention to the signals from your body. That really is affected through– it’s slow movement that does that.
Of course meditation is really good for that too but when you move fast, you miss it. Because you are just paying attention to balancing and trying to do the thing that you are doing. You are paying attention to that, which is in the realm of what’s called proprioception in the vestibular system. But interoception, these are a very slow receptors that go from your body up to your brain. Interoception is like, “How do I feel inside?” “Am I tuned in to that?” You can’t get to that if you go fast. I mean, you can to some extent, but not to the same way you can when you move slow and mindful.
So exercise, innercise. Yes, of course, there’s some crossover, of course there is. But I kind of create this little bit of a dichotomy so it helps people to be able to sort of it can’t conceptualize, like have a conceptual model and be like, “Okay, I get why it’s just as important for me to do some innercise several times a week. It’s just as important as my exercise routine. It’s important as any other self-care that I do, to get on my yoga mat and move slowly and mindfully and just be present with myself and being at a place of self-compassion”—tons of research on how self-compassion is so good for you, being at a place of self-compassion, of self-acceptance like body image stuff, right? Just enjoying the sensations of slow, gentle movement, that that confers just as many health benefits– In my opinion, we do not have as much data on that, but I think we’re going to see heaps of it coming out in the future. Confers just as much benefit as the exercise and they’re different. Different things we need to do for self-care.
Alice: I think that’s a big talking point right now, self-care. That’s something that we– I mean, especially need to work on right now during COVID, during quarantine. Can you talk about your clients? Have they been using subtle yoga to feel better, to relieve stress? What can we all be doing during COVID?
Kristine: Yes. Yes. It’s such a great question. So, I will say with a little bit of like– I feel really honored and really grateful that my students are really into yoga, into subtle yoga during– have been really into it during COVID, during the shutdown, so many amazing, grateful comments. So I have two online communities. One is my subtle yoga community where I provide weekly, little tidbits, it’s totally free. It’s called ‘Subtle Yoga Community’. Anybody can join on Facebook. I provide little weekly, short, five to ten-minute practices that anybody can do anytime. At my second community, it’s called the ‘Subtle Yoga Resilience Society’ and that’s also kind of– I am smiling because I think it’s such a funny name, but we had fun coming up with that name, the ‘Society’, the Subtle Yoga Resilience Society. Also an online group and that is a membership community where we charge thirty-seven dollars a month and then folks got one full yoga practice every week. That also includes breathing practices and meditation practices.
We release those videos every week. They’re live-streamed. They’re kept up there. You can watch them as many times as you want. The feedback that I’ve had during this time from my students has just been like so grateful that they have a practice to help them calm down because people are freaking out right now. Something I saw two weeks ago said that thirty percent of Americans are experiencing mental health challenges, typically anxiety or depression. Thirty percent! So, we need to help people with strategies. The strategies, these are not simply cognitive. Like, oh just re-frame that or think about it differently. Like, you feel fear in your body. So you have to have ways to release those fear and tension patterns from the body and that’s one of the things that I focused on for more than ten years now, in helping to trade mental health professionals, helping people to reduce the fear patterns, the tension patterns, the anxiety patterns because if we do not address that we can’t walk around–we’re not just front brains. We’re not just heads. We’re bodies and it’s your body where you experience the discomfort. So we have to address the body in the equation that can’t just be a mental exercise.
Alice: Can you talk about how you came to that, this realization of needing to address this inner self and starting subtle yoga? How did it come about?
Kristine: Yes, so… Well, I think I mentioned it a little bit that I was trying to differentiate from all the exercise stuff. But really the way that it came about, it was very personal. When I was in high school and college to some extent, I suffered from disordered eating, behavioral addictions and when I really– and I had little yoga, I had my Swami at Georgetown but it was really when I went to Asia, when I went and lived in Asia, and I was there for four years from 1991 to 1996.
Alice: Where are you there?
Kristine: 1991 to 1995, I was in Asia. So when I went to Asia, that’s when things shifted for me and I found yoga at that time. I found really, I was like going to Ashrams in India. I found really traditional yoga teachers in Japan. I mean, I found people everywhere I went. What they taught me was this idea that, first of all, I am not my body, that’s part of who I am, but it’s not the entirety of who I am. So I started to be able to peel away some of those American cultural ideas that were so heavily imposed upon women of my generation and even more so my mother’s generation. Like the Betty Draper generation. They really got that stuff. But my generation also got it and I think it’s still present, but I think it’s not as– with the body positive movement, it hasn’t been as insane as it was.
So I had internalized that cultural stuff and felt like I am a woman and I am not thin so therefore, you know, I am fit. I am healthy, but I am not thin. So therefore, I am worthless. I mean, I had really internalized that stuff. When I found yoga practice and started to feel everyday have that practice and that experience of not being just this body and also of loving my body and being like looking at the positive things my body could do, that’s when I really started to heal. I had done a lot of psychotherapy and it was wonderful and very helpful, but it was really yoga that shifted the image of my body. It shifted my body image, it shifted my experience of my body.
I had that very personal experience and then when I was back in the States, I met and married a wonderful man who later became a psychotherapist and he’s also a yogi. So we started talking about yoga and psychotherapy and realizing we have to start bringing this stuff together and presenting it to mental health professionals so that they would have tools beyond the cognitive stuff, so that they would have some somatic tools to be able to share with their clients. So that’s kind of how it evolved. I realized at the same time, lots of people aren’t coming to yoga for therapy, but they come to yoga for wellness and they come to yoga for positive psychology, if you like. That’s how I teach yoga, is like, this is a positive psychology tool. It doesn’t mean that you are looking to solve any kind of mental health problems, although it may be helpful for that but really what it’s going to do is help you optimize your mental health and your physical health.
Alice: Can you talk about going to congress and talking about how yoga and subtle yoga specifically could help with mental health?
Kristine: Yes. So we got to present to the Integrative Health Wellness caucus, I think it’s called? I can remember the name of the caucus but I was working with a group called The Integrative Health Policy Consortium, and last year we put together this day of going to congress and– because you know, it’s sort of like, if we know that integrative medicine is so valuable, which it is, then it needs to be brought into the conversation about health care in this country. We have such a crisis of healthcare. So, I was really honored I got to go and I got to do some demonstrations, have a little bit of yoga therapy with some different staff members and I got to talk to some members of congress.
Some of them were so supportive and so like, “This is awesome! This is great!” Others were not interested at all, but it was really interesting experience to be on Capitol Hill. I hope I get to go back and do that again because it was a really interesting experience and it’s something that right now we’re just talking about COVID, we’re just talking about like we haven’t even like–Trump’s, things like chronic pain and all those things that we were talking about six months ago. But hopefully when things get back to normal, I want to continue being involved because it was really inspiring and it also made me realize that tremendous amount of work that needs to be done, like to shift things. It’s a bit of a juggernaut, DC, right?
Alice: But hopefully now, people kind of understands like what we need from a healthcare system and what we have now isn’t working and we need other things especially for mental health, which will become such a big problem because of COVID, unfortunately.
Kristine: Yes, exactly. Mental health is a big problem and here’s the other piece about COVID, you better be very healthy if you are going to encounter this virus, right? We know that. So we are living a wash– Did you know four out of ten Americans have one have– Six out of ten Americans have one chronic disease and four out of ten have two or more. So yes! I mean, the numbers are astronomical, how much chronic illness there is? So we have got to focus on improving chronic illness and Western medicine is just not the way. I mean, Western medicine is very good at emergency care, but it’s not really great at treating these long-term chronic things. That falls under the umbrella of lifestyle medicine.
And yoga is just like the original lifestyle medicine. It really is, that yogic lifestyle. There’s something called ‘Dinacharya’ in the yoga world which means ‘yoga lifestyle’. Like wake up in the morning, drink water, do meditation, do some asanas, follow the ethical principles, the Yamas and Niyamas throughout your workday, go to bed early, eat healthy food. That’s all part of the yoga tradition actually. So we start bringing this stuff to the table and start bringing that as part of the conversation. It’s low cost. It’s low risk. It’s something that anybody can implement with a little bit of education. These are things that need to be part of the conversation because during COVID, we need to be healthy. We need to make those lifestyle changes now not later.
Alice: Yes. I’ve had COVID actually. I had it back in March and I was training for marathon right beforehand and I was knocked out for six weeks. I am like a healthy girl in her 20s. You have to be healthy in order to fight it, to have it for six weeks? Pretty taugh.
Kristine: I do not think I’ve met anybody and talk to them– No, I do know one person that’s had it actually. Yes, you are the second person I’ve met.
Alice: In New York, you throw a ball and you can hit someone who’s had it which is terrible. But yes, everyone knows…
Kristine: Were you in the hospital?
Alice: I was for a little bit and then I got to go home, so…
Kristine: That must have been terrifying for your family.
Alice: Yes, it was pretty awful.
Kristine: How are you feeling now? Are you feeling better? Do you still feel it?
Alice: I feel okay. It took me a long time to get back to my stamina. I am still not what I was, but I bought a stationary bike and that’s help with it, but I definitely think my mental health is an issue still. So, learning about subtle yoga or different practices to help with stress or– have been really helpful during this.
Kristine: Yes. Oh, wow. Well, I am so glad that you have resources.
Alice: Yes, I think integrative medicine is incredibly important. So… this has been– [crosstalk]
Kristine: So important. The first thing I did when COVID happened was I started watching my homeopath. My homeopath is Paul Herscu and he is the leading homeopath in the world on infectious diseases. So I was really fortunate that I studied with him years ago. The first thing I did was read all his blogs and look for the remedies that he was recommending. So I got those remedies, I am like, okay if anybody gets it we’re going to start working with Homeopathy. We’ve stocked up on vitamin C and Resveratrol and vitamin D and all of the things that are supposed to strengthen you. Now, I am not suggesting that that’s going to cure COVID. I am not suggesting that the Homeopathy will cure it but in the great flu epidemic of 1918, the Spanish Flu, there are studies that show that folks who went to the homeopaths did better.
Alice: That’s so interesting.
Kristine: Yes. It is interesting. In ten years time, we’ll look back and see, did homeopathy do anything? Because they use it very regularly in places like Germany and France and India. It was just not very common in the United States.
Alice: It really makes sense though, because with COVID, I had it in March, I had it before it was declared a pandemic and they had no idea what to do with me. No clue. So, I talked to a lot of different integrative doctors and they just gave me a list of vitamins and different things to try. No antibiotics because there was nothing, but I really think homeopathic medicine really helped. Like popping vitamin C–
Kristine: And just to be clear, so that would be called naturopathic medicine.
Alice: Oh, okay.
Kristine: And supplements, and then homeopathic or integrative and then homeopathic medicine are the little white pills.
Alice: I don’t know what that is.
Kristine: You’ve never seen them?
Alice: No.
Kristine: Yes. So, homeopathic medicine was very popular in the United States before World War II–before World War I even. It was developed by a physician and I think he was in Germany named Samuel Hahnemann and it’s a totally different way of understanding medicine. The idea is it’s vibrational actually. They use a tiny little bit of some kind of a poison or some kind of a substance that would cause a healing reaction in your body.
Alice: Oh interesting. Okay. I didn’t try that but…
Kristine: Yes, it’s really not what… Well, what happened was the American Medical Association kind of squashed it in the 1920s or 30s. I can’t remember the history, but it’s sometime around that. It got squashed as sort of chicanery or a hoax or something but I mean, that never happened in Germany, and the Germans have the best medical system in the world and they’re very much respectful and use homeopathic medicines a lot in treatments. So, it’s a shame that Americans do not have access to Homeopathy because at times like this, you want to have everything that you can possibly have to protect yourself. Yoga, supplements, homeopathy, everything.
Alice: Yes, definitely. If you could give a woman a piece of advice about how to deal with this stress or how to start practicing subtle yoga just from their own home, what would that be?
Kristine: Well, I would love to invite you to come and practice with me on Wednesdays online. I am online at 9:30 every Wednesday morning in the subtle yoga resilience society. That would be one piece of advice. My second piece of advice would be that give yourself a very low bar. I always tell my students this, put the bar really low, put the bar down to like one or two yoga postures a day and do it in the morning when you get up. Do one posture and see how you feel. Do your favorite yoga posture. Could it be down dog or triangle pose or a warrior one? Just do that and see how you feel and then sometimes you may find you do another one, but just keep the bar really low. Keep your yoga mat out somewhere, like I always have mats. I have mats in like four different rooms in my house. Often they’re just out. So I am like, “There’s the mat!” I’ll do yoga post. So, I do not think that it’s so helpful to say, “Okay. I am going to do ninety minutes of yoga. Monday, Wednesday and Friday.” Because who has time for that?
I mean, but we probably can find fifteen minutes. Even if you want to turn on Netflix or even if you need to watch Hamilton on Disney plus again like I watched it five times. Whatever you have to do, it’s okay. Just be okay with moving your body, and if you are sitting in the chair all day, I spend a lot of time in this chair because I teach online and do tons of stuff online. Get up out of your chair every hour just shake your body around a little bit. Do a couple of deep breaths, just add it into your life so that movement becomes very natural and very organic and it doesn’t feel like it has to be this separate part of your life. It is part of who you are as a human being, so just bring it in.
Alice: You’ve already talked about how the students can find these groups on Facebook or through your membership program. Can you talk about where they can find you online?
Kristine: Yes. I have a lot of stuff online but the best way to find me as on Facebook, Subtle Yoga Community. I do have a few freebies. I have a free video called Yoga for Building Nervous System Resilience and Optimizing the Function of Your Brain. If you are interested in that, I’ll give you the link and you can just sign up there. We’ll send you a free one– it’s about an hour yoga class, plus there’s a script that goes with it, a little stick figure hand out that goes with it. You can just do some of those if you do not want to do the whole class. I would try the whole class but then afterwards you can just do that. Also, I have a lot of online courses and they’re all on my website, which is subtleyoga.com.
Most of them are for yoga teachers, but there’s a couple of courses– I have a course that’s called Cultivating Calm in Times of Crisis and that is– I made that specifically after COVID hit. That has a couple of really nice yoga practices in it. It has some journaling in it, it has some short practices like I was just talking about like, five, ten-minute practices. I have a bunch of those. It’s just about like practices that can help you feel a little bit more chill, a little calmer in the face of the challenges that we’re dealing with right now. So, I am happy to put that link in too if you are interested. I also have a free Ebook. It’s called Weather The Storm and it’s subtle yoga tips for building resilience. So I’ll give you that link as well. So you are welcome to– anyone can download it. But a bunch of stuff is free. Some of it we’ll put you on my mailing list. You can unsubscribe whenever you like if you do not want to be on it, that’s fine. Explore because–
I would suggest that developing a wellness routine, a habit of wellness is really essential right now, and just like we were just talking about. So, how can you fit in a little bit of time every day where you developed this routine? So that’s one of my missions. I am out there to help folks develop it. I do train yoga teachers although that’s not all I do. I work with– the Subtle Yoga Resilience Society is for everyone. Anyone is welcome to join that.
Alice: Great. Thank you so much Kristine. We’ll link everything below. So if you want to check out all of the links right below this video, you can check those out here. So, thank you. Is there anything else you’d like to add to our listeners?
Kristine: Well, I think what you are doing is great. I want to thank you for having me on and because of course, PMS is something that is going to flare up in tons of stress, right? So, having natural solutions is going to be really important. So, thank you for doing this work and thank you for collaborating with me on this podcast or is it an interview? Either way, it’s really nice to know that there are people out there doing really important work. So, thank you.
Alice: Yes. Well, thank you so much for being on Kristine.
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